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To kolejna bzdura propagowana przez ufologa Stevena Greera. Żaden z tego kosmita tylko zdeformowany człowiek. Profesor Garry Nolan zbadał zwłoki i doszedł do takich konkluzji:
After gathering sufficient DNA from the skeleton, Nolan ran the DNA through an analyzer and compared the sequence with a human reference genome, which he described as “sort of an average of all of the genomes that have been analyzed.”

Nolan said that it was clear that the specimen was human after the genome analysis, though the researchers could still not explain the skeleton’s unusual characteristics.

Upon Lachman’s request, Nolan asked to see X-rays and CT scans taken of the skeleton in Barcelona, where it was stored. The images allowed Lachman to more accurately understand the specimen’s many abnormalities.

One of the most perplexing questions Lachman encountered was the age of specimen at its time of death. Its small size matched roughly that of a 22-week-old fetus, but the high level of calcification observed in the legs suggested it was more likely a child between the ages of five and eight years old.

Lachman subsequently investigated several similar cases of dwarfism throughout history and found several, including a 19th century “circus freak” named Tom Thumb and an Italian woman who was six inches when she was born and 19 inches when she died at age eight or nine.

According to Lachman, another possible explanation for the skeleton’s small size and advanced calcification is natural mummification, a process that would have made the skeleton appear older than it is.

“The mummification process in the Egyptians has produced calcification like this in the intervertebral spaces,” Lachman said. “Natural mummification is probably a process that occurs if you in a very dry desert place. The body is lying there for several years, and it dries out and salts are deposited. That can lead to calcification occurring.”
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http://www.stanforddaily.com/2013/05/20/professor-debunks-theories-of-skeletons-alien-origins/

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Otherworldly? X-rays show that Ata is no hoax, but its DNA will disappoint UFO buffs.

Courtesy of Garry Nolan

Bizarre 6-Inch Skeleton Shown to Be Human
By Richard StoneMay. 3, 2013 , 6:45 PM

Alien? Subhuman primate? Deformed child? Mummified fetus? The Internet is buzzing over the nature of "Ata," a bizarre 6-inch-long skeleton featured in a new documentary on UFOs. A Stanford University scientist who boldly entered the fray has now put to rest doubts about what species Ata belongs to. But the mystery is not over.

The story began 10 years ago, when the diminutive remains were reportedly found in a pouch in a ghost town in the Atacama Desert of Chile. Ata ended up in a private collection in Barcelona; producers of the film Sirius latched onto the bizarre mummy as evidence of alien life.

Last fall, immunologist Garry Nolan, director of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute's Proteomics Center for Systems Immunology at Stanford in California, heard about Ata from a friend and contacted the filmmakers, offering to give them a scientific readout on the specimen. They asked him to give it a shot.

Among the apparent abnormalities, Ata sports 10 ribs instead of the usual 12 and a severely misshapen skull. "I asked our neonatal care unit how you would go about analyzing it. Had they seen this kind of syndrome before?" Nolan says. He was directed to pediatric radiologist Ralph Lachman, co-director of the International Skeletal Dysplasia Registry at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, California. "He literally wrote the book on pediatric bone disorders," Nolan says. Lachman was blown away, Nolan recalls: "He said, 'Wow, this is like nothing I've ever seen before.' "

To study the specimen, Nolan sought clues in Ata's genome. He initially presumed the specimen was tens or hundreds of thousands of years old—the Atacama Desert may be the driest spot on the planet, so Ata could have been preserved for eons. He consulted experts who had extracted DNA from bones of the Denisovans, an Asian relative of European Stone Age Neandertals. It turned out that their protocols weren't necessary. "The DNA was modern, abundant, and high quality," he says, indicating that the specimen is probably a few decades old.

To the chagrin of UFO hunters, Ata is decidedly of this world. After mapping more than 500 million reads to a reference human genome, equating to 17.7-fold coverage of the genome, Nolan concluded that Ata "is human, there's no doubt about it." Moreover, the specimen's B2 haplotype—a category of mitochondrial DNA—reveals that its mother was from the west coast of South America: Chile, that is.

Meanwhile, after examining x-rays, Lachman concluded that Aka's skeletal development, based on the density of the epiphyseal plates of the knees (growth plates at the end of long bones found only in children), surprisingly appears to be equivalent to that of a 6- to 8-year-old child. If that holds up, there are two possibilities, Nolan says. One, a long shot, is that Ata had a severe form of dwarfism, was actually born as a tiny human, and lived until that calendar age. To test that hypothesis, he will try to extract hemoglobin from the specimen's bone marrow and compare the relative amounts of fetal versus adult hemoglobin proteins. The second possibility is that Ata, the size of a 22-week-old fetus, suffered from a severe form of a rare rapid aging disease, progeria, and died in the womb or after premature birth.

Nolan hasn't yet turned up hits for genes known to be associated with progeria or dwarfism. He's stepping up the search for mutations through additional sequencing and casting a wider net. Another possibility is a teratogen: a birth defect-inducing toxicant along the lines of thalidomide. Nolan plans to analyze tissue using mass spectrometry to look for toxicants or metabolites. But reports of a handful of other Tom Thumb-sized skeletons from Russia and elsewhere have Nolan leaning toward a genetic explanation.
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http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/05/bizarre-6-inch-skeleton-shown-be-human
 
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To kolejna bzdura propagowana przez ufologa Stevena Greera. Żaden z tego kosmita tylko zdeformowany człowiek.
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Greer nigdy nie powiedział, że to kosmita. Weź się chłopie za jakieś pożyteczne rzeczy zamiast zbijać nieistniejące argumenty i przekręcać czyjeś wypowiedzi.

Mówienie, że to jest człowiek, sprawa zamknięta, jest właśnie manipulacją, co zostało DOKŁADNIE wyjaśnione w podlinkowanych filmach. Nolan faktycznie stwierdził, że humanoid jest prawdopodobnie człowiekiem (urodzonym przez rdzenną Chilijkę), ale to dopiero otwiera pole do dyskusji, a nie zamyka, jak fałszywie sugerował Huffu czy wklejone przez ciebie linki.

I przypominam, że badania ciągle trwają. Te wszystkie linki są z 2013 roku. Obecnie uczeni, łącznie z Nolanem (Greer jest z nim w stałym kontakcie), nie są niczego pewni. W 2013 roku uważali, że znają płeć humanoida. Dzisiaj twierdza, że nie są w stanie jej określić.

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Greer nigdy nie powiedział, że to kosmita. Weź się chłopie za jakieś pożyteczne rzeczy zamiast zbijać nieistniejące argumenty i przekręcać czyjeś wypowiedzi.
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No nie powiedział wprost. Tyle, że jest znanym ufologiem oszołomem i opowiadał o trupku w swoim filmie o kosmitach gdzie zastanawiał się czy to zwłoki ufoka. Więc oczywiście, że chciał sprzedać wersje o kosmicie. Nigdy nie przekręcałem niczyich wypowiedzi.
 
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Więc oczywiście, że chciał sprzedać wersje o kosmicie.
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Co chciał zrobić, a co faktycznie robi to dwie różne rzeczy. W podlinkowanych przeze mnie filmach Greer ZAWSZE podkreśla, że nie należy wyciągać żadnych pochopnych wniosków i gadać o kosmitach w kontekście szczątków z Atakama. Zatem przekręciłeś jego wypowiedź i przypisałeś mu słowa, których nigdy nie wypowiedział.

Nigdy nie przekręcałem niczyich wypowiedzi.
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No ta deklaracja zmienia postać rzeczy. W takim razie sory, cofam to, co wyżej napisałem :)
 
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Podczas godziny "W" pojawili się wśród manifestantów muslimi. Dziwnym trafem ksenofobiczne polactwo powstrzymało się (zapewne ostatkami sił) od agresji na nich. Michnik z Lisem płakał jak oglądał:

 
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