Czy biała rasa wymiera?

[Deleted member 427]

Przedstawiciele klasy średniej w Afryce Południowej rekrutują się wyłącznie z białej populacji – nic się pod tym względem nie zmieniło od upadku apartheidu.

Dochody statystycznej rodziny białych szacowane są na ok. 45,5 tys. dolarów rocznie, podczas gdy czarnej - jedynie na 7,5 tys. dolarów. Wyłącznie czarnoskórzy stanowią też warstwę najuboższych mieszkańców kraju.

To artykulik z onetu, zakładam, że te dane są prawdziwe: http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/rpa...poziom-zamoznosci-wciaz-zwiazany-z-rasa/kg4vt

 

[Deleted member 427]

Staszek Alcatraz wrzucił to w innym temacie, ja przeklejam tu i cytuję:

Największe hrabstwo w Teksasie stało się demokratyczne. Dzięki imigrantom. 52% mieszkańców deklaruje się jako Demokraci a tylko 30% jako Republikanie. Jeszcze w 2005 roku więcej było Republikanów - 37% niż Demokratów 35%.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/29/survey-largest-texas-county-turning-blue/

 

[tomislav]

Właśnie tego chcą organizatorzy przerzutu komuszego śmiecia do Europy, mimo, że i tak większość euro-cweli optuje za rozkoszami demosyfu.

 

[rawpra]

rpa [*]

 

[Deleted member 427]

Kolejna lewaczka świętuje, że niedługo nie będzie w Niemczech białych Niemców:

 

[FatBantha]

Było? Poniżej 90 IQ ponoć nie można utrzymać cywilizacji technicznej. Dlatego też Murzyni żadnej nie mieli.

​

Helmuth Nyborg on the Genetic Decline of Western Civilization: Denmark as a Case Study

May 5, 2011 Kevin MacDonald
The Danish psychologist Helmuth Nyborg has an academic paper soon to be published in Personality and Individual Differences (“The decay of Western Civilization: Double Relaxed Natural Selection“). Nyborg is well-known for his work showing a sex difference in IQ favoring males, a paper which resulted in an investigation of his work and a reprimand from his university. (Nyborg describes the “witch hunt” he endured here.)

Nyborg’s latest paper charts past trends and projects IQ changes in Denmark as a result of two trends: relaxation of natural selection among the traditional Danes, and an influx of low-IQ immigrants. These two trends together amount to what he terms a “double relaxation of natural selection” (DRNS).

Relying on Richard Lynn’s work Dysgenics: Genetic Deterioration in Modern Populations, the relaxation of internal selection is thought to have begun around 1850 as the fertility of the lower classes exceeded the upper classes because of improvements in hygiene and reduction in diseases. He cites Lynn’s estimate that England lost 6.9 IQ points over 90 years (1920-2010) and estimates that Denmark’s average IQ dropped around 10 points since 1850 due to internal relaxation of natural selection.

However, the main point of the paper is to evaluate the influence of non-Western immigrant population on IQ. Nyborg estimates that by 2072 around 60% of births in Denmark will be to people of non-Western origin, and Danes will be a minority by 2085. This is due to markedly higher birth rates among non-Western immigrants and their descendants — nearly 4 times greater than the native Danes. Moreover, Nyborg projects that the low IQ (70–85) immigrant share of the population will grow steadily to nearly 60% of the share of all births by 2072.

This implies a drop in IQ for the entire population. Especially chilling is his Figure 5 which shows a dramatically increasing number of Danish citizens in the 70-85 IQ range. This IQ band is projected to be the majority of the population not long after 2075 and to dominate the school system by 2050.

The grim conclusion is that in the period from 1850 to 2072 there will be a total phenotypic decline of 15.39 IQ points. Given a heritability of 0.82 for IQ, this means genotypic damage of 12.62 IQ (i.e., 15.39 X .82) points from the internal relaxation of natural selection. Foreign immigration adds another 6 IQ points, including nearly 5 IQ points in genetic decline . The projection then is for an average population decline of around 21 IQ points and around 17 points in genetic potential for IQ since 1850.

Nyborg concludes:

Why were early dysgenic warnings neglected and the messengers demonized? Because too many leading scientists, politicians and intellectuals (Nyborg, 2003; in press) ignored Darwinian principles and started a historically hitherto unheard of voluntary, humanistic, democratic and financed replacement policy, whereby dwindling genetically weakened (Lynn, Harvey, & Nyborg, 2009) sub-fertile Western European populations will rapidly be replaced by more fertile low-IQ non-European immigrants. … The result is that Western European peoples become minorities in their own ancestral homelands before the end of the 21th century, and other modern societies undergo similar demographic transitions (see also Coleman, 2006, 2010).

Nyborg points out that this decline in IQ will have momentous effects on Western societies, including the decline of democratic governance and lowered economic output. But the Denmark conquered by these non-Western foreigners will be a shadow of its former self:

The damage implies that even if fertile low-IQ non-Western immigrants are the ultimate winners in the third demographic transition [i.e., the double relaxation of natural selection], they will conquer a lesser country. Danish average IQ will, for example, then have approached 90, or perhaps even be close to the projected mean immigrant of IQ 86. An intellectual corrosion this size will have undermined the economic and educational infra-structure of [Denmark], and ultimately made its democracy unsustainable. Another factor is the increased frequency of partly heritable antidemocratic attitudes, authoritarian culture, and dogmatic religious preferences, traits often seen in low-IQ countries.

All this would seriously challenge the characteristic social coherence and solidarity of the Danish tribe. Tragically, the third demographic transition may also simultaneously damage the countries of origin, due to brain drain. In short, [the double relaxation of natural selection] may increasingly doom modern countries, harm developing countries, and has nothing to do with racism or nationalism.

Nyborg cautions that these projections may well be on the conservative side because they appear to underestimate future immigrant fertility because they don’t adequately take into account the youthful age of the immigrants. He also cites recent studies showing that the Lynn-Flynn effect has been reversed in Denmark and Norway. The Lynn-Flynn effect is the phenomenon increasing IQ’s resulting over historical time, resulting presumably from improved environments in the 20th century acting in opposite direction to the dysgenic effects of relaxed internal natural selection.

Four points:

• These projections do not take account of the well-documented negative effects of multiculturalism: The rise of ethnic conflict, a decline in willingness to contribute to public goods, and increasing political isolation among other negative effects. The future Denmark will not only be less intelligent, less economically productive and less democratic. It will also be a much more hostile place as the formerly homogeneous Denmark (Nyborg repeatedly refers to the ethnic Danes as a “tribe”) come to grips with ethnic- and religious-based conflict. As the Danes become a minority in a society no longer infused with democratic impulses, they are likely to be the targets of the new non-Western ethnic majority that they allowed to develop due to scientific malfeasance and misplaced moral idealism. Unlike the individualistic Danes—a consequence of their heritage as northern Europeans, the non-Western immigrants are far more prone to ethnocentrism and collectivism, with the expectation that they will see Danes as a negatively evaluated outgroup and act accordingly.
• The decline in the IQ of the ethnic Danes is likely to make them more defenseless against this expected onslaught from non-Western ethnic groups. Nyborg’s results are a wake-up call for the importance of eugenics among Whites in general.
• In addition to declines in IQ, there is clearly natural selection against the Danish gene pool in general. That is, at the same time that Darwinian natural selection has been relaxed for IQ, immigration (especially non-Western immigration) has resulted in intense natural selection against Danes as an ethnic group, with the result that in the long run they will be displaced entirely. That is, if we continue these population projections well beyond 2072 when ethnic Danish births are projected to be 33% of the total births in Denmark, the births to ethnic Danes will become a vanishingly small percentage of the total births and there will be selection against genetic combinations unique to Northern Europe. For example, the genes underlying the Nordic appearance of people like Nyborg would become a less and less common. This is Darwinian selection with a vengeance.
• In attempting to account for what Nyborg labels the “unheard of voluntary, humanistic, democratic … policy” of ethnic displacement, one cannot avoid discussing the erection of what I term the “culture of critique” promoted by Jewish intellectual and political movements beginning early in the 20th century. It should not be surprising that the end result of these movements is the dispossession and displacement of Europeans: These movements are case studies of hostility engendered by ethnic competition, in this case competition between Jews as a hostile elite and the traditional peoples and culture of the West. These movements are a foreboding of the competition and hostility that the future will bring as native Europeans become minorities in the societies they dominated for millennia. A major thrust of these Jewish intellectual movements was the attack on eugenics which dominated intellectual discourse a century ago. As I noted in describing the effects of Franz Boas’s revolution in anthropology,

 

[FatBantha]

the entire enterprise [of Boasian anthropology] may thus be characterized as a highly authoritarian political movement centered around a charismatic leader. The results were extraordinarily successful: “The profession as a whole was united within a single national organization of academically oriented anthropologists. By and large, they shared a common understanding of the fundamental significance of the historically conditioned variety of human cultures in the determination of human behavior” (Stocking 1968, 296) [that is, genetic influences were discounted in favor of the view that environment was all-important]. Research on racial differences ceased, and the profession completely excluded eugenicists and racial theorists like Madison Grant and Charles Davenport.

By the mid-1930s the Boasian view of the cultural determination of human behavior had a strong influence on social scientists generally (Stocking 1968, 300). The followers of Boas also eventually became some of the most influential academic supporters of psychoanalysis (Harris 1968, 431). Marvin Harris (1968, 431) notes that psychoanalysis was adopted by the Boasian school because of its utility as a critique of Euro-American culture, and, indeed, as we shall see in later chapters, psychoanalysis is an ideal vehicle of cultural critique [most notably, the Frankfurt School]. (The Culture of Critique, Chapter 2: The Boasian School of Anthropology and the Decline of Darwinism in the Social Sciences, p. 28)​

Jeszcze nie czytałem jego prac, ale w wolnej chwili sobie zajrzę. A tu takie rasi-prowo:

Blacks Aren’t Human
January 29th, 2009
[...]
IQ has an enormous impact on lifestyle, achievement, and behavior. IQ correlates to poverty, crime, mortality, and broken homes on one side — and education, wealth, human accomplishment, long life and stable homes on the other. According to “IQ and the Wealth of Nations,” a country must have a minimum average IQ of 90 to run a technological civilization. It is not a far cry to say it is IQ that makes humans better than the animals, and it is IQ that makes some humans better than other humans.

That’s not all though. Blacks are unique in that when we arrived, they had no written language, no wheel, no architectural works, nothing at all that would indicate they live a human existence. Whereas literature and palaces and cities existed in almost every corner of the earth, from the Incas to the Indians to the Persians to the Chinese to Stonehenge to Ankar Wat in Cambodia — nothing existed in Africa. For the past 100,000 years non-blacks have been spreading across the globe, building pyramids and cities, developing new technology, domesticating animals and crops, covering themselves in finely decorated clothing, and living essentially human lives. Blacks, meanwhile, stayed nearly naked, self-mutilating, technology-less, with no domesticated animals, no written language, no wheel, no stone buildings, no metalworking, nothing.

Virtually every other non-black group came up with an admirable or at least interesting religion or philosophy which was recorded and taught to a priesthood. Indians had the Vedas and the Upanishads, Chinese had Confucianism, Daoism, and various sects of Buddhism. Europeans had Virgil, Horace, and Homer to write down their pagan religion, with Plato, Aristotle, and numberless other greats to record their philosophy. Even the Aztecs had a corpus of literature which was, unfortunately, burnt and destroyed by the Spanish invaders. Shintoism was developed in Japan, the epic of Gilgamesh was recorded in ancient Babylonian times, and Egypt authored the Book of the Dead. Only black Africa (and assorted primitives in australasia) hadn’t recorded or created any official religion or philosophy. Blacks still rely on voodoo, witchcraft, black magic, and animism with no particular pantheon of Gods, no priesthood, no anything that could develop them past superstition and barbarism.

Today it is questionable what Blacks could achieve on their own, without the intervention of others giving to them all the things they could never produce or maintain themselves. Though we see blacks walking around in business suits, speaking English, shooting guns, and making use of all sorts of non-black generated goods and services and inventions and ideas and discoveries — none of them originate from the black man. Without the continuous intervention of charity into Black Africa, it’s unknown whether they could even maintain what they have, or if they would simply regress back to mud huts the moment we left. All current black civilization is in fact transplanted non-black civilization. There is not as yet a single black civilization on Earth that has independently developed and maintained its own technological and philosophical way of life. No blacks have won any nobel prizes in the hard sciences, fields medals, or gotten any spot on a list of Human Accomplishment that would represent some major scientific or technological advancement for the world.

Geography can be no excuse, because blacks today live all across the world. Blacks in France, the UK, and the USA are given preferential treatment and access to college educations, and yet they still produce nothing. At the same time, whites who lived in South Africa and Zimbabwe made them into decent, first world nations without a problem. There is nothing about the African continent inimical to modern life, it is simply the fact that it is populated by blacks.

Nor can some strange combination of bad luck and being separate from other civilizations explain black underperformance. After all, blacks have been connected to the outside world since the 1400’s. They have had centuries to modernize and improve themselves in Africa with full access to modern knowledge and technology. In contrast, it took Japan about twenty years to modernize from a feudal samurai culture to a fully modern industrial state which then took on and defeated Russia in 1900. Blacks have had centuries in the USA to do all sorts of human activities, immersed in white culture, knowledge, and technology. Instead all they do is riot, rape, steal, sell drugs, and demand more handouts from the government. Germany recovered from WWII in just ten years, becoming yet again a prosperous, powerful, and leading-edge modern civilization. Africans meanwhile cannot recover from ‘colonization,’ ’slavery,’ or ‘discrimination’ after centuries. Haiti has been an all-black, independent, free state since the Napoleonic wars, 200 years ago. Even so, its lifestyle and standard of living perfectly matches that of darkest Africa. In those 200 years it hasn’t progressed an inch. In fact it has probably regressed since that time. Their neighbors in the dominican republic have immensely better statistics than them in all fields. Instead of a failed state, the dominican republic takes care of its people, has a working government, and doesn’t need charity. The difference? Their population is non-black. All of the old, tired excuses are refuted by geography and history.

The black murder rate is 9 times that of the white/hispanic (combined!) murder rate. It is 36 times as high as the asian murder rate. Blacks are the majority of AIDS cases and all other STDs, their STD rates are completely out of proportion to all other groups. Even homosexuals have a hard time keeping up with the black STD rates. No ordinary healthy human has the sexual habits of the black race. Whereas every other people on earth developed a family structure, blacks still roam around aimlessly screwing everyone they meet and never staying to raise the child. 70% of black children in the USA are illegitimate. In Africa, women largely do all the work and raise the kids while the men commit crime or sit around chewing leaves or smoking something. Domestic violence among blacks is atrocious. Rape is endemic. The human race does not act like this, their morals and habits are completely different.

[...]​

 

[T.M.]

the entire enterprise [of Boasian anthropology] may thus be characterized as a highly authoritarian political movement centered around a charismatic leader. The results were extraordinarily successful: “The profession as a whole was united within a single national organization of academically oriented anthropologists. By and large, they shared a common understanding of the fundamental significance of the historically conditioned variety of human cultures in the determination of human behavior” (Stocking 1968, 296) [that is, genetic influences were discounted in favor of the view that environment was all-important]. Research on racial differences ceased, and the profession completely excluded eugenicists and racial theorists like Madison Grant and Charles Davenport.

By the mid-1930s the Boasian view of the cultural determination of human behavior had a strong influence on social scientists generally (Stocking 1968, 300). The followers of Boas also eventually became some of the most influential academic supporters of psychoanalysis (Harris 1968, 431). Marvin Harris (1968, 431) notes that psychoanalysis was adopted by the Boasian school because of its utility as a critique of Euro-American culture, and, indeed, as we shall see in later chapters, psychoanalysis is an ideal vehicle of cultural critique [most notably, the Frankfurt School]. (The Culture of Critique, Chapter 2: The Boasian School of Anthropology and the Decline of Darwinism in the Social Sciences, p. 28)​

Jeszcze nie czytałem jego prac, ale w wolnej chwili sobie zajrzę. A tu takie rasi-prowo:

Blacks Aren’t Human
January 29th, 2009
[...]
IQ has an enormous impact on lifestyle, achievement, and behavior. IQ correlates to poverty, crime, mortality, and broken homes on one side — and education, wealth, human accomplishment, long life and stable homes on the other. According to “IQ and the Wealth of Nations,” a country must have a minimum average IQ of 90 to run a technological civilization. It is not a far cry to say it is IQ that makes humans better than the animals, and it is IQ that makes some humans better than other humans.

That’s not all though. Blacks are unique in that when we arrived, they had no written language, no wheel, no architectural works, nothing at all that would indicate they live a human existence. Whereas literature and palaces and cities existed in almost every corner of the earth, from the Incas to the Indians to the Persians to the Chinese to Stonehenge to Ankar Wat in Cambodia — nothing existed in Africa. For the past 100,000 years non-blacks have been spreading across the globe, building pyramids and cities, developing new technology, domesticating animals and crops, covering themselves in finely decorated clothing, and living essentially human lives. Blacks, meanwhile, stayed nearly naked, self-mutilating, technology-less, with no domesticated animals, no written language, no wheel, no stone buildings, no metalworking, nothing.

Virtually every other non-black group came up with an admirable or at least interesting religion or philosophy which was recorded and taught to a priesthood. Indians had the Vedas and the Upanishads, Chinese had Confucianism, Daoism, and various sects of Buddhism. Europeans had Virgil, Horace, and Homer to write down their pagan religion, with Plato, Aristotle, and numberless other greats to record their philosophy. Even the Aztecs had a corpus of literature which was, unfortunately, burnt and destroyed by the Spanish invaders. Shintoism was developed in Japan, the epic of Gilgamesh was recorded in ancient Babylonian times, and Egypt authored the Book of the Dead. Only black Africa (and assorted primitives in australasia) hadn’t recorded or created any official religion or philosophy. Blacks still rely on voodoo, witchcraft, black magic, and animism with no particular pantheon of Gods, no priesthood, no anything that could develop them past superstition and barbarism.

Today it is questionable what Blacks could achieve on their own, without the intervention of others giving to them all the things they could never produce or maintain themselves. Though we see blacks walking around in business suits, speaking English, shooting guns, and making use of all sorts of non-black generated goods and services and inventions and ideas and discoveries — none of them originate from the black man. Without the continuous intervention of charity into Black Africa, it’s unknown whether they could even maintain what they have, or if they would simply regress back to mud huts the moment we left. All current black civilization is in fact transplanted non-black civilization. There is not as yet a single black civilization on Earth that has independently developed and maintained its own technological and philosophical way of life. No blacks have won any nobel prizes in the hard sciences, fields medals, or gotten any spot on a list of Human Accomplishment that would represent some major scientific or technological advancement for the world.

Geography can be no excuse, because blacks today live all across the world. Blacks in France, the UK, and the USA are given preferential treatment and access to college educations, and yet they still produce nothing. At the same time, whites who lived in South Africa and Zimbabwe made them into decent, first world nations without a problem. There is nothing about the African continent inimical to modern life, it is simply the fact that it is populated by blacks.

Nor can some strange combination of bad luck and being separate from other civilizations explain black underperformance. After all, blacks have been connected to the outside world since the 1400’s. They have had centuries to modernize and improve themselves in Africa with full access to modern knowledge and technology. In contrast, it took Japan about twenty years to modernize from a feudal samurai culture to a fully modern industrial state which then took on and defeated Russia in 1900. Blacks have had centuries in the USA to do all sorts of human activities, immersed in white culture, knowledge, and technology. Instead all they do is riot, rape, steal, sell drugs, and demand more handouts from the government. Germany recovered from WWII in just ten years, becoming yet again a prosperous, powerful, and leading-edge modern civilization. Africans meanwhile cannot recover from ‘colonization,’ ’slavery,’ or ‘discrimination’ after centuries. Haiti has been an all-black, independent, free state since the Napoleonic wars, 200 years ago. Even so, its lifestyle and standard of living perfectly matches that of darkest Africa. In those 200 years it hasn’t progressed an inch. In fact it has probably regressed since that time. Their neighbors in the dominican republic have immensely better statistics than them in all fields. Instead of a failed state, the dominican republic takes care of its people, has a working government, and doesn’t need charity. The difference? Their population is non-black. All of the old, tired excuses are refuted by geography and history.

The black murder rate is 9 times that of the white/hispanic (combined!) murder rate. It is 36 times as high as the asian murder rate. Blacks are the majority of AIDS cases and all other STDs, their STD rates are completely out of proportion to all other groups. Even homosexuals have a hard time keeping up with the black STD rates. No ordinary healthy human has the sexual habits of the black race. Whereas every other people on earth developed a family structure, blacks still roam around aimlessly screwing everyone they meet and never staying to raise the child. 70% of black children in the USA are illegitimate. In Africa, women largely do all the work and raise the kids while the men commit crime or sit around chewing leaves or smoking something. Domestic violence among blacks is atrocious. Rape is endemic. The human race does not act like this, their morals and habits are completely different.

[...]​

Etatysta powie, że w Afryce nie wykształciły się państwa w rozumieniu europejskim - fundament cywilizacji

 

[Staszek Alcatraz]

W 1965 Partia Demokratyczna przestawiła wajchę z imigracji europejskiej na imigrację trzecioświatową. Imigranci ci głosują za welfare state.

 

[rawpra]

the entire enterprise [of Boasian anthropology] may thus be characterized as a highly authoritarian political movement centered around a charismatic leader. The results were extraordinarily successful: “The profession as a whole was united within a single national organization of academically oriented anthropologists. By and large, they shared a common understanding of the fundamental significance of the historically conditioned variety of human cultures in the determination of human behavior” (Stocking 1968, 296) [that is, genetic influences were discounted in favor of the view that environment was all-important]. Research on racial differences ceased, and the profession completely excluded eugenicists and racial theorists like Madison Grant and Charles Davenport.

to chyba wplywy marksizmu, radziecka wersja ewolucjonizmu czyli łysenkizm zakładał że genetyka to tam chuj i mozna sie dostosowac bo 100% zdeterminowane jest srodowiskowo. wiec w tajdze sadzili kukurydze i zdziwienie ze cos nie pyklo xD obecnie tez lewactwo nie przyjmuje do wiadomosci ze ludzie sa genetycznie roznie predysponowani, ze jedni maja predyspozycje byc inteligentniejsi albo silniejsi niz inni. widac to tez w tym ze mowia ze muzyni przez to sa biedni bo maja biednych rodzicow i zostali wychowani w biedzie, no albo pierdolenie o jakis wypartych wspomnieniach

. According to “IQ and the Wealth of Nations,” a country must have a minimum average IQ of 90 to run a technological civilization.

pokwapi sie ktos przytoczyc dowody? czy to tylko jest korelacja miedzy tym subsaharyjska afryka i aborygeni nie wytworzyli technologii i tym ze maja niskie IQ?

Blacks, meanwhile, stayed nearly naked, self-mutilating, technology-less, with no domesticated animals, no written language, no wheel, no stone buildings, no metalworking, nothing.

i co niby jest tego przyczyna? jakby byla presja srodowiska zeby sie rozwijali to by tak sie stalo. moze nie mieli potrzeby, tak dziala ewolucja ze w europie biosfera taka byla ze europa stala sie sercem cywilizacji, ciagle wojny i wspolzawodnictwo, a muzyni sobie zyja na duzych powierzchniach i maja wyjebane na rozwoj no bo po co, polecam poczytac Jareda Diamonda

 

[Deleted member 427]

Super ważny odcinek Stefana podlinkowany wyżej. Też chciałem wkleić. Bardzo dużo prawdy w tym, co mówi. Centralne sterowanie imigracją i przyjmowanie niebiałej biedoty z krajów "trzeciego świata" to prawdziwe NWO.

 

[Król Julian]

Super ważny odcinek Stefana podlinkowany wyżej. Też chciałem wkleić. Bardzo dużo prawdy w tym, co mówi. Centralne sterowanie imigracją i przyjmowanie niebiałej biedoty z krajów "trzeciego świata" to prawdziwe NWO.

No ale zaraz, czy libertarianie nie powinni być za swobodą przepływu ludzi?

 

[libertarianin.tom]

No ale zaraz, czy libertarianie nie powinni być za swobodą przepływu ludzi?

No powinni. Dlatego Stefan nie jest juz libem tylko alt-rightem.

 

[Hitch]

Ale centralnie sterowana imigracja to nie jest naturalny przepływ ludzi. Oni są rozrzucani gdzie popadnie (lub gdzie dokonają największych szkód...), wciskani na siłę do miejsc, których nie są w stanie ogarnąć swoimi kozojebczymi umysłami. Nie jest sprzeczne z libertarianizmem bycie w opozycji do tej operetki.

 

[libertarianin.tom]

Ale centralnie sterowana imigracja to nie jest naturalny przepływ ludzi. Oni są rozrzucani gdzie popadnie (lub gdzie dokonają największych szkód...), wciskani na siłę do miejsc, których nie są w stanie ogarnąć swoimi kozojebczymi umysłami. Nie jest sprzeczne z libertarianizmem bycie w opozycji do tej operetki.

No to zalezy o czym my wlasciwie mowimy. O tym aby mogl ktos tu przyjechac i pracowac/urlopowac/spedzic emeryture, czy po to aby robic rozruby i brac zasilki. Tylko, ze nie da sie tego sprawdzic przed jego przyjazdem, a Stefanowo/Hoppe`owo/Rockwellowe pomysly na przewidywanie to czyste komusze centralne planowanie na zasadzie: statystycznie Polacy maja nizsze IQ od Japoncow, wiec przyjmiemy wszystkich Japoncow a zadnego Polaka. Gdyby to bylo takie proste to kazde centralne planowanie byloby super wydajne i sprawiedliwe. Rzad nie jest wstanie przewidziec jacy imigranci sa potrzebni.

 

[pawel-l]

Prezentacja Stefana jest ciekawa, ale dodam parę swoich komentarzy.
Wykres imigracji wygląda całkiem inaczej jeśli pokaże się w stosunku do całej populacji.
Imigracja do US zawsze była wysoka. Dopiero Wielki Kryzys, oraz późniejsze wojny (II w.św., Korea, Wietnam) przyhamowały ten proces.
Wzrost dobrobytu w Europie zach. i brak możliwości wyjazdu z Europy wsch. ograniczył emigrację z tego obszaru.
Stosunek do imigrantów z Europy na początku XXw (Włosi, Irlandczycy, Polacy) także był mocno negatywny.
Około 30% imigrantów z Ameryki Łacińskiej jest nielegalnie. Korzystanie z socjalu w ich wypadku jest ograniczone, a tym bardziej głosowanie.
Wykresy IQ są dość złudne. Gdyby zbadać IQ w Korei w latach 50-tych to pewnie też byłby o połowę mniejszy.

 

[libertarianin.tom]

Prezentacja Stefana jest ciekawa, ale dodam parę swoich komentarzy.
Wykres imigracji wygląda całkiem inaczej jeśli pokaże się w stosunku do całej populacji.
Imigracja do US zawsze była wysoka. Dopiero Wielki Kryzys, oraz późniejsze wojny (II w.św., Korea, Wietnam) przyhamowały ten proces.
Wzrost dobrobytu w Europie zach. i brak możliwości wyjazdu z Europy wsch. ograniczył emigrację z tego obszaru.
Stosunek do imigrantów z Europy na początku XXw (Włosi, Irlandczycy, Polacy) także był mocno negatywny.
Około 30% imigrantów z Ameryki Łacińskiej jest nielegalnie. Korzystanie z socjalu w ich wypadku jest ograniczone, a tym bardziej głosowanie.
Wykresy IQ są dość złudne. Gdyby zbadać IQ w Korei w latach 50-tych to pewnie też byłby o połowę mniejszy.

Gadanie o IQ i imigracji ogolnie nie ma wiekszego sensu bo przeciez czesto pracodawcy poszukuja ludzi tepych do prostych, ciezkich prac, bo potrzebuja robotnikow do spawania, sprzataczki, prostytutki, modelki, sportowcow, itp. Noi mezczyzni czesto poszukuja poslusznych, niekreatywnych zon do prania, prasowania i gotowania, wiec wola czesto prosta babe z biedoty z IQ orangutana, niz wielce inteligentna Niemke co pozjadala wszelkie rozumy (i ma gebe jak paszczur).

Nawet to, ze osmiu na dziesieciu imigrantow z Angolii to lenie, a tylko dwoch na dziesieciu imigrantow z Irlandii to lenie nie oznacza automatycznie, ze ci drudzy bardziej zwiekszaja uzytecznosc host country, poniewaz ludzie maja wiele potrzeb nie zwiazanych z kasa. Nie jestesmy homo economicus jak to Mises powiadal. Na przyklad czesc ludzi ma potrzebe opiekowania sie biednymi Murzyniatkami, albo biale kobiety lubia dlugie kutasy mieszkancow Zambii i beda wolaly leniwego ruchacza niz pracowitego ale piegowatego Irlandczyka z malym praciem. A im wiekszy kraj tym wiecej konfliktow bo np moze tak byc, ze wszyscy leniwi Angolczycy jada do Kalifornii a pracowici do NY. Noi mieszkancy NY beda propsowali wolna imigracje, a ci z Kalifornii wprost przeciwnie.
To tez liby powinny darzyc do tego aby prywaciarze mogli sami decydowac kogo chca. Czyli w przypadku USA nalezy zniesc zakaz dyskryminacji.

P.s. Po za tym ludzie z danej narodowosci nie sa jednolita masa i nie powinni byc traktowani jak bydlo co to ma niby taka sama inteligencje. Wsrod czarnych sa Thomas Sowell albo Morgan Freeman, a wsrod bialych sa Michael Moore i Bernie Sanders...

 

[alfacentauri]

Imigracja do US zawsze była wysoka. Dopiero Wielki Kryzys, oraz późniejsze wojny (II w.św., Korea, Wietnam) przyhamowały ten proces.

Małe sprostowanie. Choć kryzys i wojna mogły mieć na to wpływ to głównym powodem ograniczenia imigracji były prawa wprowadzone w 1924 roku, które ustanawiały kwotę migracyjną: do grup etnicznych obecnych podczas spisu ludności z roku 1920 mogło dołączyć rocznie zaledwie dwa procent nowo przybyłych reprezentantów tych grup. W latach sześćdziesiątych dopiero te prawa uległy zmianie.

 

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Wklejam to już do wątku z Trumpem, ale chyba nawet bardziej pasuje tu. Do czego Demokraci (czy szerzej: światowa lewica) potrzebują nie-białych imigrantów? Odpowiedź poniżej:

 

[Doman]

pokwapi sie ktos przytoczyc dowody? czy to tylko jest korelacja miedzy tym subsaharyjska afryka i aborygeni nie wytworzyli technologii i tym ze maja niskie IQ?

A co tam. Napiszę Ci szkic dowodu:

1. do wielkich odkryć potrzeba IQ>140. Do bycia przyzwoitym inżynierem: 120-130. Do bycia łebskim pomocnikiem: 110. Robotnikiem który nie spieprzy zadania, nie poknoci, ogarnie jakieś trudności samodzielnie: powyżej: 100. Czemu? Wnioskuję tak na podstawie znajomości biografii naukowców i znajomości IQ kilku osobiście poznanych osób. Człowiek z IQ 90 może być wygadany, może być cwany, ale jak przychodzi do konkretów technicznych, to czego nie tknie to spieprzy. Znałem pannę która z IQ 90 skończyła nauki polityczne. Pracę magisterką pisała w Wordzie, a przypisy po prostu wpisywała na koniec strony mniejszą czcionką. Niewielka edycja tekstu i przypis je skakał po dokumencie. Nie ogarniała tego. Z IQ 90 wiele rzeczy staje się nie do ogarnięcia.
Wiem, że z IQ 120 można czerpać przyjemność z uprawiania matematyki, ale trudniejsze rzeczy idą jak po grudzie. Wyżej dupy nie podskoczysz.

2. Rozkład IQ w populacji wyznaczony jest przez rozkład normalny (krzywa dzwonowa): dużo jest wartości średnich a mało ekstremów. Jeśli średnia wynosi 90, to szansa na znalezienie specjalistów z IQ 120 staje się bardzo niska. Można to policzyć. Oni są, ale w takiej ilości, że gospodarka tego nie poczuje. Prawdziwych mózgów, szefów zespołów - praktycznie w takiej populacji nie ma.

Z negrami jest jeszcze taki problem, że nie nadają się nawet na wiernych, tanich robotników. Chińczyk z IQ 130 będzie zapieprzał w fabryce 12 godzin dziennie wkręcając śrubkę, jeśli musi. Negr zdechnie z głodu, ale systematycznej i żmudnej pracy nie podejmie. Ludzie inwestujący w Afryce zauważyli to. Dlatego jak chcesz taniego robotnika, to Bangladesz, Pakistan, Indie, Filipiny.

Dlatego to co wyprawiają talmudyści w Europie zakrawa na zbrodnię. Kwestię czystości rasy i umiłowania do własnej rasy zostawmy na boku, bo nie każdego te klimaty jarają. Problem jest w tym, że Europę zalewa się murzynami a nie Azjatami. W filmach nachalnie są promowane negry, promuje się małżeństwa mieszane z negrami, a socjal ma wyrównać szanse negra w prokreacji, bo gdyby nie socjal, to negr w większości przypadków chodziłby w dziurawych spodniach, walił moczem, raził bezzębnością, a smrodem z gęby powalał na kilometr. Ponadto w publicznej szkole z niskim poziomem nauczania negr nie zostanie ośmieszony przy tablicy, bo w takiej szkole debil nie ma szansy się ośmieszyć przy tablicy. Dzięki temu może zacząć chodzić z laską która w normalnej szkole nawet by na niego nie spojrzała. Kobiety przecież nie są aż tak głupie.
W ten sposób szanse zapłoniania Europejek przez negrów rosną. Nie przez przypadek tzw. uchodźcy to głównie mężczyźni.
Efekt ma chyba być taki, że pospólstwo będzie w gównie, a wtedy wejdzie talmudysta - cały ubrany na biało.